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css versus tables
 css vs tables: round I. 
    1. benefits to css
 
    2. is full css faster
 
    3. Return on
Investment
 
 
    4. Long Run
Maintenance
 
 
    5. w3c standards
are useless
 
 
    6. structure
and content
 
 
 
 css vs tables round II. 
    7. point:
        tables are for
       tabular data...

     counter point:
       yes, but tables
       make up
       databases.
       Duhhh!!!








    8. Hey Stupid
 
    9. Bandwidth Savings
 
    10. accessibility and
     $4000 wheelchair
     ramps
 
 
 
    11. Spend Time
Learning
 
 
    12. Captured
CSS Flagship
 
 
    13. Selling your
product
 
 
    14. May work well
 
    15. Standards
Merry Go Round
 
 
    16. Extremists
Update
 
 
 
 
  
   
 
    TABLES are for TABULAR DATA and not meant for Web Page Layout where as CSS is more suited for this.
  1. Last time I checked, most websites use a database to store data. And databases are just a bunch of tables in the first place. Hence, tabular data that will somehow be eventually displayed back onto a webpage in some type of tabular form that has at least 2 columns and 2 or more rows..

    And, as far as I know, the shopping cart has at least 2 columns, the name of the product and the price. (But it's usually more than two columns: description, quantity, etc). But I want to point out to CSS elitists that this shopping cart is not a block of text, or a paragraph.

    So, if you are going to build a website, you are going to need tabular data in the first place, and if not now, it will eventually.

    Tabular data comes in all forms:
    1. contact lists
    2. shopping carts
    3. calendar dates
    4. address books
    5. forums
    6. digital picture photo album (5 pics x 5 pics)
    7. search results
    8. employee lists
    9. phone numbers
    10. product catalogs
    11. guest books
    12. statistics
    13. auctions
    14. real estate listings
    15. dating lists
    16. customer orders
    17. reports, etc


    Anything you can do (and did) in Microsoft Excel you can expect to be done with tables; which just so happens to be all of the good stuff that people visit websites for in the first place.


    BUSINESSES KEEP RECORDS, HENCE TABULAR DATA
    And the last time I checked, Oracle, Microsoft, Siebel and IBM still sell databases. I also know that all businesses on this planet have to keep records and make transactions. And I don't know of any business that doesn't have a set of "BOOKS" to see if they are making a profit or a a loss. In other words, TABLES of data are going to be kept and you are going to need <TD> and <TR> tags.


    NEWSPAPERS, BOOKS, MAGAZINES USE PARAGRAPHS, MARGINS and WHITE SPACE; HENCE TABULAR DATA
    Publications use invisible and visible vertical and horizontal lines, HENCE TABLES, so that things LINE UP so you can READ IT more easily. With CSS-P, you have to define the coordinates for all those lines, so CSS-P will have plenty of numbers, in fact TOO many numbers to work with and they better make sure the numbers all match up correctly.


    THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE READS FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, TOP TO BOTTOM; HENCE FOUR SIDE OF A RECTANGLE, HENCE, TABULAR DATA
    The words on this page read from left to right, top to bottom. hence the path or shape of a rectangle. Your eyes move along the shape of a rectangle. The same can be said for non-english languages, right to left, top to bottom. You can save space, like paper by having your document in a organized format. Readers can find things in a web page when it's organized in a tabular format via invisible vertical / horizontal lines and layout.



    MARGINS, LEFT, CENTER RIGHT JUSTIFICATION
    Page layout uses margins, white space, balanced text, etc to make things more readable for the user. To make sure these margins, white space, etc are working and done right, there are HORIZONTAL and VERTICAL LINES, HENCE TABLES that things can go in. It's called ORGANIZATION.....TABLES ASSISTS IN ORGANIZE THINGS....
    With CSS-P there is NO ORGANIZATION, so CSS-P have to do it themselves in order for their pages to look right. Lots of time savings there, huh?


    A closer look at the SPEED of CSS TABLE versus REGULAR TABLE
    [this comparison section has been moved here]



    *THE REASON FOR CSS PURIST'S HOSTILITY
    A lot of these CSS purists don't even have a data-driven site so they have no appreciation of what you can do with a database. Sites like, csszengarden.com have no database or data and definitely not e-commerce. Plus, their own personal website typically has a bunch of static pages anyway. They have no idea that after the 10 minute FLASH commercial, people ( or users) actually want to do something practical besides being entertained.
flush lines that auto stretch vertically and horizontally
 
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